Post by Just A Fan on Sept 5, 2012 12:39:09 GMT -6
Here some post I been reading while waiting to see if a team pick -up VY.
This was a interested post
think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the wreckage of retarded posts in this thread:
1) Vince isn't a mongoloid, nor is he lazy, but he probably isn't the strongest QB in the league at learning the complexities of NFL schemes (offensive and defensive) because his natural abilities allowed him to put in the minimum amount of work required to master his position in high school and college. Those abilities include everything above the waist, not just his running ability. He had an intuitive feel for the game which is probably partly innate and partly developed from playing as much as he could as often as he could.
2) Those habits die hard, so trying to learn his third offense in three years was (as it would have been for any QB) a huge challenge. I will bet Cameltoe's remaining testicle that Vince got satisfactory-to-good grades on his mastery of the Buffalo offense on paper and in meetings, but that he wasn't able to translate it to performance on the field at quite that same level, because all of his natural instincts, his years of success in other offenses, and the jumble of Tennessee, Philadelphia, and Buffalo offenses were too much to overcome in his extremely limited audition.
3) Vince does not have and probably never will have a backup quarterback's mentality. That doesn't mean he didn't play the political game properly in Buffalo, just that his mediocre performance and poor fit as a benchwarmer made him expendable. I am sure his outward attitude was fine; he gave Buffalo no obvious reason to cut him. But they made a tremendous investment in Fitzgerald and likely felt they had to sink or swim with him because Vince is sadly no longer an obvious upgrade over a serviceable NFL QB based on his performance ever counting for extenuating circumstances.
4) Vince was treated unfairly in Tennessee. His development and reputation were ruined by that organization.
5) Vince reacted like an immature pussy in Tennessee partly because he avoided tough love in high school and college and partly because he had a team of absolute $#@!ing $#@!heads advising him when his problems with Fisher came to a boil. He should have aggressively fought back in the media instead of letting Fisher set the narrative, and he should have sought remediation (a trade, firing Fisher, etc) instead of trying to suppress his justifiable anger for five years. He blew his top because he's an emotional guy who was counseled for five years-- again, by $#@!ing $#@!heads-- that NFL QBs are calm and collected when things go wrong.
Bull$#@!. Fisher was literally $#@!ing with Vince's livelihood, which has a short shelf-life anyway, and Vince and team needed to respond publicly and aggressively instead of letting Fisher use his sycophants in the media to caricature Vince.
6) There is no coordinated conspiracy against Vince Young, but those of you who think or imply that the NFL is all about winning and therefore is never subject to the same biases and groupthink that pervade all large enterprises are hilariously naive. Vince has been irrevocably mischaracterized thanks to the crash landing in Tennessee and nothing will change that; two years of quiet and diligent work as a backup are still overshadowed by the caricature of Vince as a loudmouth clown-- hence Sports Illustrated's current preseason issue referencing his harmless and tongue-in-cheek "dream team" remark last preseason to prove the Eagles had a culture of lazy entitlement.
7) For all of those reasons, Vince is done in the NFL. For him to be successful as a starting QB, he needs the chance to compete for that job and he won't get it; he's not enticing enough to keep around as a backup because he isn't and apparently isn't going to be a game manager, which is so highly prized a commodity for franchises looking for a backup. I'm not saying he won't bounce around or get another contract, just that this is the new reality for him. He'll never be anything but a stopgap measure as a backup and I don't think he'll get a shot at starting again
www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/116435-Bills-release-Vince-Young
This was a interested post
think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the wreckage of retarded posts in this thread:
1) Vince isn't a mongoloid, nor is he lazy, but he probably isn't the strongest QB in the league at learning the complexities of NFL schemes (offensive and defensive) because his natural abilities allowed him to put in the minimum amount of work required to master his position in high school and college. Those abilities include everything above the waist, not just his running ability. He had an intuitive feel for the game which is probably partly innate and partly developed from playing as much as he could as often as he could.
2) Those habits die hard, so trying to learn his third offense in three years was (as it would have been for any QB) a huge challenge. I will bet Cameltoe's remaining testicle that Vince got satisfactory-to-good grades on his mastery of the Buffalo offense on paper and in meetings, but that he wasn't able to translate it to performance on the field at quite that same level, because all of his natural instincts, his years of success in other offenses, and the jumble of Tennessee, Philadelphia, and Buffalo offenses were too much to overcome in his extremely limited audition.
3) Vince does not have and probably never will have a backup quarterback's mentality. That doesn't mean he didn't play the political game properly in Buffalo, just that his mediocre performance and poor fit as a benchwarmer made him expendable. I am sure his outward attitude was fine; he gave Buffalo no obvious reason to cut him. But they made a tremendous investment in Fitzgerald and likely felt they had to sink or swim with him because Vince is sadly no longer an obvious upgrade over a serviceable NFL QB based on his performance ever counting for extenuating circumstances.
4) Vince was treated unfairly in Tennessee. His development and reputation were ruined by that organization.
5) Vince reacted like an immature pussy in Tennessee partly because he avoided tough love in high school and college and partly because he had a team of absolute $#@!ing $#@!heads advising him when his problems with Fisher came to a boil. He should have aggressively fought back in the media instead of letting Fisher set the narrative, and he should have sought remediation (a trade, firing Fisher, etc) instead of trying to suppress his justifiable anger for five years. He blew his top because he's an emotional guy who was counseled for five years-- again, by $#@!ing $#@!heads-- that NFL QBs are calm and collected when things go wrong.
Bull$#@!. Fisher was literally $#@!ing with Vince's livelihood, which has a short shelf-life anyway, and Vince and team needed to respond publicly and aggressively instead of letting Fisher use his sycophants in the media to caricature Vince.
6) There is no coordinated conspiracy against Vince Young, but those of you who think or imply that the NFL is all about winning and therefore is never subject to the same biases and groupthink that pervade all large enterprises are hilariously naive. Vince has been irrevocably mischaracterized thanks to the crash landing in Tennessee and nothing will change that; two years of quiet and diligent work as a backup are still overshadowed by the caricature of Vince as a loudmouth clown-- hence Sports Illustrated's current preseason issue referencing his harmless and tongue-in-cheek "dream team" remark last preseason to prove the Eagles had a culture of lazy entitlement.
7) For all of those reasons, Vince is done in the NFL. For him to be successful as a starting QB, he needs the chance to compete for that job and he won't get it; he's not enticing enough to keep around as a backup because he isn't and apparently isn't going to be a game manager, which is so highly prized a commodity for franchises looking for a backup. I'm not saying he won't bounce around or get another contract, just that this is the new reality for him. He'll never be anything but a stopgap measure as a backup and I don't think he'll get a shot at starting again
www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/116435-Bills-release-Vince-Young