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Post by joan on Aug 25, 2012 22:07:38 GMT -6
justafan, I will say that I have not gotten the impression that Gailey is trying particularly hard to have VY win the job. In fact, half the time I think he is just trying to make Thigpen win the job.
at the end of the day, Vince throwin INTs just doesn't help. The O-line looked terrible on the few plays that I saw. When drives stall because receivers drop balls or run routes wrong, life gets ugly fast for a QB.
We will have to wait and see. I just wish Vince ended up in a situation where he could focus on football for a full season or logner and not have this crappy week-by-week scenario to go through every year. Maybe he should have signed for 2 years with the Eagles, not 1 year (which he insisted on according to reports).
I am very tired and disappointed, but I was fearful of the Steelers. They are his kryptonite. Hopefully he gets to play one half next week and plas lights out. Just to show that he can still really do it. Very frustratng stretch so far...
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 6:30:00 GMT -6
I took a lot out of last night game. 1. Steeler team play there starters most of the night. 2. The backup QB play with the starters. 3. The Bills Defense and special team were good. 4.The Offense was not good at all and I blame Chan for this. 5.Fitz could not make many 3rds downs. 6. And VY threw 2 INTS and 2nd team drop passes. Why I blame Chan is he knew the steelers left the 1st team starter out there and he took all of the starter out the game and put 2nd second team out there to play against steelers starters.Chan knew the 2nd team O-line could not play against the steelers starting defense. He made sure Thigpen did not have play against the steelers.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 7:13:09 GMT -6
Here a post on why steelers 1st and 2nd team look better then Bills. jrb16915 I am not a Vince Young fan. But I really have no idea how you analyse his ability to be a back up, playing strictly with the second team. Unless the Bills plan to sub 11 players in the event that Fitzpatrick gets hurt, I am not not sure they are simulating a circumstance that would ever occur. I noticed MIke Tomlin (who seems to be a decent coach, based on his record) had Leftwhich play with the other starters. That makes more sense to me.
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Post by FreshmanX on Aug 26, 2012 7:59:09 GMT -6
VY will be fine. It was just a bad game.
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Post by fernandobrazil on Aug 26, 2012 9:46:22 GMT -6
I'm too disapointed now to give my opinion. I will talk about this game soon. Now, by Joe Buscaglia of wgrz:
- Nothing like watching Vince Young all but take the backup job last week, only to see him relinquish some of that lead in the team's third preseason game, right? Lucky enough for him, I still think the Bills believe that competition is over. But man, was he bad against the Steelers. His first interception came when he threw it against his body and across the field -- two big no-no's for the quarterback position. The second one was a play that needed a ton of velocity to be completed, and instead Young just kind of lofted it in there. A definite step back for him, but like I said, I still think the job is his.
- A few quick hits: Rookie Ron Brooks really needs to quit it with this face-guarding stuff, it's bad technique and something that needs to be left in college. Tashard Choice ran strongly all night and made a statement to the coaching staff in my opinion. Terrence McGee is still a way's away. He just doesn't have the speed and explosion back yet. Delano Howell was yet again solid in run support. John Potter is now 8-for-8 on kickoffs. Yeah, he's making this team.
MVP: DT Kyle Williams - See third bullet point.
LVP: QB Vince Young - 25.0 quarterback rating. 12-of-26, 103 yards, 2 interceptions. Woof.
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Post by fernandobrazil on Aug 26, 2012 9:52:21 GMT -6
By Walker from ESPN. I dont like his articles but hevae to agree with that one:
Inconsistent Young: Buffalo backup quarterback Vince Young did a great job in the second preseason game to establish himself as the favorite to backup starter Ryan Fitzpatrick. But Young took a step back against the Steelers. Young was 12-of-26 for 103 yards and two interceptions. He had a passer rating of 25.0 and made some mistakes a veteran with plenty of starting experience should not make. Young had a chance to finalize his backup status but didn't. He left the door open for Tyler Thigpen to try to make another push in the final week.
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Post by joan on Aug 26, 2012 10:24:18 GMT -6
ugh. I agree with both excerpts. sometimes it is frustrating with VY: he makes it so easy for his haters to attack him. or for his doubters to question him.
I would have hoped that he would hve realized that the Steelers are the team against which he performs worst by a mile and that he had prepared 10x as much as usual. But he seemed to treat it like just another game. He really needs better advisors to help him understand how to build confidence (from his coaches) by not messing up opportunities like this.
It can be hard being a fan of Vince. If I were one his advisors, I would tell him that: Vince, get your sh*t together and put on a dazzling show on Thursday. And during every practice this week. You cannot treat all of this like you are just going through the motions. Beating out Thigpen shuold not be your goal, you should aim for more. But you aren't showing that second part yet. Play to your full potential, don't let yourself get dragged down by playing to Thigpen's level.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 11:03:22 GMT -6
Last night I went to sleep with a heavy heart. So I know how VY must have felt. A lot going on with VY the court hearing and the fact he learning a new system and coach who not helping him and not putting him in best situation to win. But today a new day GO VY JUST DO IT
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Post by FreshmanX on Aug 26, 2012 11:04:01 GMT -6
From everything I've read, VY has been very good in practice. So I don't think it was a lack of preparation. The Steelers have a great defense and VY is still learning the Bills offense. Fitz and Thigpen have struggled the entire preseason. To be honest, the Bills just arent that good. Thigpen has yet to outplay Vince in any game this preseason.
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Post by fernandobrazil on Aug 26, 2012 11:31:39 GMT -6
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 11:46:34 GMT -6
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 11:55:22 GMT -6
Great article fernandobrazil. Just post Chan post-game comments He said a WR were not running the right route for VY.
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Post by joan on Aug 26, 2012 14:43:22 GMT -6
on the audio it is a little hard to hear, but he was not talking about Vince. He was talking abut Fitz. I am telling you: Fitz can do no wrong in Gailey's eyes. Even if he throws 10 INTs, it will be the mistakes of the WRs, the sun, gravity, or anything other than Fitz.
We will just have to wait and see. Being on the team and not being on the team both have pluses and minuses (as per my previous posts). I just want him to play and play well. If he can make the team, play well, and hopefully negotiate to get a starter position with a team in need, it would be a very positive season. We are a long way from achieving all of that, but let's wait and see.
One final comment is also that VY is a rhythm player, i.e. he gets better the more chemistry & rhythm he develops with a WR/TE/etc. From the stats yesterday I saw that he completed quite a few passes to Clowney. Clowney got cut today. It reminds me a lot of hte early years in TN, when he would develop rhythm with a WR, then the WR would get cut or traded, and he had to start all over again.
I hope this Thursday game goes a lot better than the last Thursday game that he did for the Eagles. The Lions would seem to be a far better fit for him than the Steelers. Let's go Vince. Hammer the win home on Thursday.
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Post by fernandobrazil on Aug 26, 2012 14:48:32 GMT -6
One bad thing to the next game is, if one defensive cordinator known VY well, this guy is Schwartz.
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Post by jan on Aug 26, 2012 16:21:35 GMT -6
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Post by FreshmanX on Aug 26, 2012 16:22:48 GMT -6
It looks like Vince and Thigpen are done in Buffalo. According to reports, the Bills have acquired Tarvaris Jackson from the Seahawks!
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 16:51:50 GMT -6
And he better than VY?
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 17:00:50 GMT -6
TO ALL CHAN DID NOT WANT VY !!!!!!!!
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 17:02:10 GMT -6
IS There ANY TEAM NOW FOR VY?
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 17:52:57 GMT -6
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 18:27:21 GMT -6
To bad VY did not get treatment Vick got a coach like Tony Dungy who play a part in getting Vick a team.
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Post by fernandobrazil on Aug 26, 2012 18:31:58 GMT -6
www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/8/26/3270311/buffalo-bills-tarvaris-jackson-trade-vince-young I'm very disappointed with VY, seriously. He's throwing his career away with the missed opportunities. We can't blame all the world because VY fails. He needs to wake up and play to his potential. I'm starting to belive VY will not be able to recover his swagger from his winning days. No team/coach/gm will give him a threatment like Mack brown did, he needs to take full advantage of his opportunities. If the Bills is giving up on him, we need to reflect about what VY is doing wrong and coaches can't accept. Look, the Bills QB caoch really wanted VY since his college recruitment. Buddy Nix also praised VY and said he looked at him when he was with SD. I don't understand why, but if all those guys are giving up on Vince, even Bud Adams was convinced, maybe he has serious problems who we can't see behind the scenes. I'm starting to be discouraged by him.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 18:56:57 GMT -6
fernandobrazil I know this is your team but Chan did not want VY he went to press day one saying VY was struggling with offense would he do that with Fritz? Why did Chan put VY with a struggling 2nd team to play the starting defense Steeler would he done that to Fritz?. Yes he play bad yesterday but I think he was setup by Chan to fail.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 19:21:59 GMT -6
here a great post. borna_horn I think Vince's problem is he is geared towards making plays and winning games. He has a starter's mentality. He got in the game yesterday down by 7 and the first thing he wanted to do was throw downfield and get them back in the game. If he had simply focused on not making mistakes, the Bills still would have lost but he would have had a job. The last thing he could afford to do was make multiple INTs that resulted in TDs.
VY is like a home run hitter in baseball that strikes out often. He either looks great or really bad.
Buffalo is now married to the game manager QB. It will likely result in a 5-11 season and Gailey being out of a job. Oh well.
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Post by FreshmanX on Aug 26, 2012 20:12:18 GMT -6
Vince will get another chance somewhere else. He worked hard for the Bills, he was just wasn't familiar with the offense.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 20:31:46 GMT -6
Vince will get another chance somewhere else. He worked hard for the Bills, he was just wasn't familiar with the offense. What teams do you think VY could go to this late in the season?
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 20:47:13 GMT -6
Thigpen will stay with the bills.
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Post by joan on Aug 26, 2012 21:01:19 GMT -6
If Thigpen stays, then Gailey never wanted VY to begin with. Which sounds like another coach I vaguely remember...
Now, if they were to release Fitz instead, I would suddenly have more respect for Gailey. But that ain't going to happen.
If they cut Thigpen and keep Vince, then it would be a sign that they really want to win. But it would also hinder Vince to no end to have somone like him share the snaps. Never heard of a backup QB controversy.
If they release Vince and Thigpen, I think the Bills should get ready for another season in which they end third and have no playoffs.
This may be a very sad day for Vince's career. I hope it only goes up from here. It can't go down any further, or so I hope.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 21:04:16 GMT -6
This is so so sad.
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Post by Just A Fan on Aug 26, 2012 21:41:38 GMT -6
I think VY has to talk to Dennis Green and find another avenue to play I don't see the NFL and place for him. I don't know if his legal problem play in this I don't know. I know VY can play but there no team that wants him.
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